Beyond the Hustle: Redefining Success on Your Own Terms - with Shuang-Min Chang

So I did went through that journey of really looking into

all my stories and make a conscious decision, like from

this point onward, how I want it to influence me.

So whatever we can happen to us and a lot of things, it's not in

our control. And the only thing that's in our

control is how we experience it and how we come out of it.

Yeah. Like what you choose to take

away from it and how you choose to be.

There's a lot of the times the outcome is the same, but how you

feel inside is is as good or as bad you make it to be.

Welcome to the show Mind Blend. I'm your host, Karen Chong, and

I'll be diving into the minds of incredible people, each an

expert in their very own way. Together we'll uncover insights

and share ideas so you can be inspired and empowered to

navigate your own unique journey in life.

Ready to get curious and discover what's possible?

Let's blend. So I just finished a book called

Blue Sisters by Coco Mellos. It's about.

Without giving too much away, the story revolves around four

sisters and each has their problem of their own.

And then there was 1 scene where the mom said look at you, you're

OK, better than OK, you have a great career, a big house.

Bonnie is a world champion for Christ's sake and lucky she's

been on billboards all over the world.

How bad of a job could we have done if you all end up like

this? A little did.

She know they're definitely not OK.

So today I'm joined by Shuang Min Chung, someone who has lived

that kind of successful life, and it's now helping others to

be successful in a way that truly matters.

Hi Charming. Hello Karen, Thank you for

having me here. Welcome to mine plan.

Thank you for coming today. So I have alluded to this

already in the intro. Charming has lived a very

successful life. Not to say that she's not

successful now, but can you tell us a little bit about that

successful life, your previous successful life?

Yeah. So I, I, I was in corporate for

like around 15 years. So I built my career, my last

career, my one and only career in fashion retail.

So I used to work for premium brands and I was in in

merchandising at the last years of my career.

I was in charge of China for four departments for a premium

French luxury fashion brand and I build my career from ground

up. So I went to Italy, I study, I

have a degree there. I started as intern.

I used to work for Gucci in the headquarter and then I work for

Gucci in China and then transit into my last company.

So my lifestyle was I earn much more than average.

And so my lifestyle is like quite international because I

travel between China and Europe a lot.

I travel a lot also domestically in China since we have stores

all over the country. So I get to eat food and fly

business budget. And then like whenever I was in

Milan or Forest or Paris, there was always shopping involved.

And then I have, I have little time for vacations, but I'm just

every time for vacations, I got to choose, you know, where I

want to go for activity I want to do without worrying too much.

So I would say that there was a pretty good life.

And the people I am hanging out with, stealing or dealing with,

usually people in this kind of society, more or less.

Yeah. Is.

It like how movies portray it like fashion shows free flowing

champagne so that. Was actually very, very small

part that people that's well known for people.

But in the end of day is a business, you know, in the end

in the day that business wants to make money.

So there are a lot of the back end things that people don't see

like I stay with fresh more than I stay with products and I am

doing strategies much more than I trying on new outfits.

OK. And I was in a boring much more

than a fashion. See, that's something that

people don't know when they think fashion, luxury fashion,

this is what they think about. So that sounded very good.

And we know that's not what you're doing right now anymore.

What happened? I just sense that Korea came to

an end. I, I still love it.

You know, the way I talk about it, I think you can sense like

my passion when I was in it, but I outgrew that structure because

the way the whole industry and many industry structured, I

outgrew it. And I also have my own pursuit

in life other than Korea. And at some point I knew that

Korea will give me more fantastic lifestyle for sure,

but it won't give me the opportunity or time or space to

explore what I wanted to explore.

And one of them is quite practical was surfing.

I like, I want to surf and surfing is kind of is the kind

of activity you need to do constantly to learn.

It's like the gym, you know, you want to train your muscle.

You need to show up in a trip at least regular enough.

Surfing is the same, but surfing cannot be indoor.

It has to be in a certain environment.

It's it's kind of like really picky and tricky and working in

that corporate life would never gave me that.

So I had that. That was just one part there

many part like spiritual part, emotional part that it's all

there. I just outgrew it and I have

other pursuits that I no longer want to put on hold.

Do you remember what the turning point was like?

I'm sure there's a moment that you made the decision.

Right at some point I knew that part.

That career wouldn't last for life for me because when I got

into fashion, I have a goal. So when I almost knew I am very

close to that goal. I am someone I need challenge

and I always need a vision to go forward.

I'm a very forward into the future kind of person.

So whenever, like so when I was very close to that career goal,

I asked myself, So what do I want in this profession?

I like. Abroad as nothing really excites

me, yeah, I mean like of course, like I can say I'm going to I

mean for higher title or I mean for CEO I'm aiming for you know,

like bigger job scope for me that's actually the same I'm

sorry to say that CE OS, but like for me it's essentially the

same because I'm doing the same business.

I'm just dealing, dealing different scope.

And also I consider, yes, I will have much more money most

likely. I also need my time will be even

more demanded by others. And I started asking myself that

is that the kind of trade that I would like to make?

I mean in in corporate or in life, we are always making

trades like we trade our time for something, even we are doing

something that we love, we are still trading our time to do the

thing that we love. So we are always trading.

So I'm very conscious with what I'm trading with my life, all my

time, my energy and looking beyond like my fight, the goal I

set when I was 25, there was nothing really getting get me up

anymore. Like there was not a trade I was

no longer willing to make. Yeah, that's really good because

a lot of people, they're just in, they're just in it without

really thinking about anything. And you could have easily just

stayed in the field and like, yes, risen up to be the CEO or

like someone really well paid, you could travel on business

every single day or first class. Yeah, but.

Most, a lot of people don't think about that and it is trade

off. You have a lot of money, but you

have no time for travelling, for example.

Yeah. So but I'm to put it out there,

it's not that I don't want to travel business anymore, OK.

Like I'm working on my business right now because I want to try

business again, because it's it's like that allow on sale to

be allow ourselves to feel the luxury we want to feel.

It's something that it's up for everyone's to choose.

But how I get that is what I care.

You know, I used to be willing to train in that profession to,

to get that, but then at some point I'm not willing to.

So now I'm moving for another direction.

But that is something that still I want.

I don't want to, I, I'm very cautious.

I don't want to put the message of if you want to live a

spiritual life, you have to compromise your, your material

enjoyment. I, I don't, I don't believe in

that and I don't agree with in that.

I think that you can have those. I think living this human

experience is a spiritual practice and we get to choose

how we want to do this practice. So, so that's the part I really

want to put it out there because they, they are so many, like I

need to give up or something. No, I I don't I'm you're a

champion for giving up anything. Yeah.

And it's great that you clarified that because

essentially that's what people think about.

I'm either, yeah, free as a bird and I've no money, Yeah.

Or just, yeah, be slave driven at a corporate job.

But I our message today is really to pursue things that

allow you to enjoy life without losing yourself, without

forgetting to embrace yourself. Yeah, yeah.

So I'm sure in the very successful career, it was very

demanding. And I think it's a lot of people

nowadays they would have also experienced, you know,

especially nowadays, there's so many layoffs, so people are very

worried about their jobs. So they work extra hard and they

get fewer people because people are laid off, teams are

downsized, so they're even more stressed.

Burnout is the word that I hear a lot of.

And did you have any similar experience when you were in that

career? In, in that career, like first

of all, I am a person really immune to this line of anxiety

because I, I took life as a journey.

So I know I am until the day I die.

I am never meant to stay somewhere permanently.

So if there was one, it was actually interesting.

It just came to mind. I used to tell my team that I

want you all to become so good. You can replace me at any day.

And if, if, if that day happened, I know it's time for

me to go, OK, That that's the way I, I, I, it's this that my

general attitude towards life. So I did experience burnout in

my own version, but not found that anxiety of our being being

replaced. I mean, we live, we live in a

time that like hundreds of new job that we we've never heard

of. It's going to be created

probably next year, right? So thinking the idea that I can

do exactly the same thing for this life.

Basically, it's just a lie we tail ourselves.

It's, it's the, the, the inertia or the fear of change that is

telling this lie to ourselves. So in instead of, instead of

thinking, instead of spiraling out with that line of thoughts,

I think we'll be more serving to ourselves as king.

What do I want to experience now if not this?

Or what do I want to create now if not this?

It's either. I always say it's either us

direct our evolution or others with direct it.

For us. It's it's just, it's just the

way because the time is moving, the time is moving, the era is

moving and we are all in that. Nobody can be spared.

It's just how we experience the movement.

Yeah, so why not enjoy right now?

And a lot of us are held back by the past or the future, but

present is the only thing you're experiencing really.

Yeah, a very good friend was telling me this.

She told me, like I, I always act like there's nothing

happened before and there's nothing going to happen next.

I think about the future, of course, and I, I am heavily

impacted by my past. But the, I think the difference

is whether we are impacted by the past sub unconsciously or

consciously. I went through the whole process

of, you know, like taking out each individual stories that has

huge impact on me. The, the, the, the positive

impact and the negative impact. And then I look at that, I asked

myself, why am I impacted positive here?

What is the story I'm telling myself?

And why am I impacted here negatively?

Is this this the story? Isn't this me only story I can

and tell me the answer is usually no.

So I did went through that journey of really looking into

all my stories and make a conscious decision like from

this point onward, how I want it to influence me.

So whatever we can happen to us and a lot of things, it's not in

our control. And the only thing that's in our

control is how we experience it and how we come out of it.

Yeah. Like what you choose to take

away from it and how you choose to be.

Yeah, there's a lot of the times the outcome is the same, but how

you feel inside is is as good or as bad you make it to be.

Yeah. And it's, it's not even need to

be like, you know, super positive.

Sometimes I, I'm an intuitive and I'm very receptive to all

kinds of energy. So sometimes something will

happen to me. I will feel something that was

no obvious reason and it was not a good feeling.

Sometimes that happened to me. I would just that it you don't

just feel the feeling and then I will whisper, you know, I

whisper to my soul, however you want to call it God, the

universe or the conscious unconsciousness.

Like I would say that I am fully open to experience this and

usually I will come out of it with a lot of inspiration or

encouragement or new understanding of things.

So it's, it's really, it's, it really doesn't need to be, you

know, a grand lecture or story or take away.

It's just the willingness to choose the experience that to

decide how we want to experience it and lean into that.

Yeah, self reflecting, it's what I'm hearing.

Yeah. And you have mentioned there

were different parts of your life that you have reflected.

And then ask yourself, is this how I want to be?

Yeah. Can you share a few of those

moments with us? I had a depression when around

like for around a year, it got really bad.

Like I wanted to kill myself for about a year when I was 23.

So there was the moment that I in my life, I had to ask like,

is this like, is this like I'm going forward?

I'm going to be like this. And of course, my answer was no.

So I'm sitting here today. And then there was a time when I

was in Italy, I wanted to find a permanent, you know, like Italy

has many, many different kinds of contracts.

So the kind of usual employment contract, you know, clock in,

clock out, not by the hour, but I buy buy salary.

It's a specific kind of contract and I wanted I want to that kind

of contract because that give me stability.

But for a lot of reasons I couldn't get it.

So I was keep. I was put in this vicious circle

of no contract, no money and or no paper and no paper, no

contract, you know, like I was. Put in this circle at.

Some point I need to decide whether this how I want to, how

I wanted to experience life. And then like in China, it's the

same. So like I had a very good

career, but as I share, at some point I I need to rethink like

how what I'm trading, trading in my time and my energy.

What do I want? You know, that, that career used

to be something that I dream for to a point that I know then

there was no longer the trade I wanted to make.

So and then like, I had this habit of reflecting in a chunk

like every 5 or 10 years. It was something that I, I

picked up because I, I started journaling when I was 13.

So I have a lot to talk with myself, asking myself questions,

asking like the guards, whatever questions.

So I also have this habit of just reflecting whether this we

talk about trajectory, but it's not just career like if we we

keep moving on the same pattern, we are in the trajectory no

matter whether we are conscious or unconscious.

So I had the habit of asking myself that is this a trajectory

I want to move forward and usually I will get guidance, I

will know the answer. That's the in my heart, no

matter you know, like I would like to share with others or

not, I I would know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, self

reflecting and really honestly asking yourself the questions

and honestly answering yourself is key to really finding clarity

because a lot of the times it's yeah, yes, but like do you want

to do this? Is this really what I do?

Yes, but and then you come up with pages and pages of why I

cannot do that. It's more like I yeah, external

factors, I think a lot of them are.

I think this well, thank you for bringing it up.

It's very interesting that not finding reasons to stop

ourselves, it's actually a trending.

Because we live in a society that actually expect us to

conform. So the society actually gave us

abundant reason behind them. But.

Yeah. But whether we want to choose

the content before the but it's very, very personal.

And sometimes it's very, very lonely, especially if you don't

have a community that everyone is practicing choosing the thing

before, but instead of after. So building community and then

training how our mind work, it's very important.

If for example, if you had I have something wrong to do, of

course anyone would tell me. But when I told everyone I'm

quitting that job to go surfing, everyone thought I was lying

because I was actually got hired for a very, very high up job.

And usually it's confidential. So I couldn't say, you know, and

then and and when I said not some to any other companies.

I'm just really moving to a seaside and serve and they were

what about the bot for me, even I already did the DS.

They will say, but how about money?

But how about like, how can you afford another, you know, make

sure from whatever brand, all those bot will come up.

Remember, whatever we want, they will always come.

We may take a pause like I took a pause from that career and

then there's a transition that I don't have that the label of

luxury to splurge when it comes to money.

But it doesn't mean that I feel that I gave up.

You know, I am building myself back into that in a different

way if that's still what I want. So a lot of people will think

that that part because they are trading off.

So when we fall into the trading off of giving up or sacrificing,

there's no way back because we already believe that we will not

see an opportunity or possibility to create the same

thing in another way, in a way that we love more.

So so I think that the, the, The thing is that one question that

you can ask yourself that if you choose the content behind the

But what are you giving up? And in 10 years down the road,

how your life will look like? And are you, are you happy to

live that life? And if you choose the content

before the But how your life will become?

And where will you be 10 years down the road?

And is that the life you are more willing or less willing to

live? I think neither side.

There's no right or wrong. Yeah, absolutely.

That's very important. But in the end of day, are we

happy with ourselves? I think that's important because

I've been, I've been in this place of secretly unhappy,

secretly unfulfilled, and secretly telling myself that I'm

feeling myself no matter how it looks outside, and it was a

terrible place to be. Yeah.

Even I, I decided to go for the one after the butts.

You know, like I went through that part in some point in my

life as well. Life was great.

I had most of the things that people wants at the very, very

early stage before I really enter fashion.

I had those like I got paid like twice more than my peers.

Yeah. But that that, that thing inside

it's, I may even choose to live with it.

But do you want to? I think this is the most

important question to answer. Yeah.

So, choosing a different path. Have you experienced something

that surprised you? So much.

Let's hear it. So much, yeah.

Like when I went into Italy, of course, like at the end, it

didn't go according to my plan. That's a surprise, even if at

the moment it was a really negative surprise.

But then that experience of really deciding what I want in

my life actually opened me up to my spiritual path to really

connected with the so-called force of flow or intuition and

going into fashion. Like what?

And then when I went into fashion because I love it so

much, I thought I would do that job for life.

But after like 12 years, I realized to do it anymore and it

brought me to a new whole new understanding about life.

Because if I'm never be an entrepreneur, I was brought up

telling like every adult was telling me, you know, holding on

to a job. It's a rhyme thing to do.

It's a good way to go, you know. My culture is the same thing.

Yeah. So, so he wouldn't, I wouldn't

experience, you know, like different form of business,

different form of life. And I wouldn't nurture myself

finally from my burnout like over a decade because I just

didn't have time, you know, like incorporate.

I, I re regulate myself already quite consciously because I have

my own full regime. I have my dream regime and I, I

have my own interests. Like I try to balance a lot, but

I don't have that chance of time to nurture myself.

I'm not saying that everyone needs this.

Like this is my light pass. Yes, like everyone has a light

pass. But without making these

transitions and life, I wouldn't know.

Like I used for someone saying that oh I'm a city girl, we

would never move to the country. And then I fall in love with

surfing. So how can I do?

So you said that, like you said before, you were a city girl.

I used to say to everyone, like I used to say to everyone,

because I moved to Bumbai and Milan, like Paris and Shanghai,

you know, like I'd love the city life.

I love the convenience, you know, like I call a taxi taxis

there. Yeah, I I use the AB the grocery

is at a doorstep. I was like, and I need to try

cleaning because like I have branded stuff and I need to try

cleaning all the time. So how would I want to to move

to the countryside? It just like.

And then there was Fox and and, you know, worms and whatever.

But then like, I fell in love with surfing.

So what can I do? I used to be someone who need to

wear shoes when I was walking on the ground all the time.

Now if I don't need to wear shoes, I wouldn't.

How did you fall in love with surfing?

After the second-half, probably like in my last 5-6 years of my

corporate career, I took a lot of vacation, well, not a lot of

vacation time to a vacation. What twice a year, like 20 days,

30 days, I always go to the I always go to seaside because

being in the big city and in that pace of business, I need to

rewind, like to be around the. Water.

Me too. And then I saw I yeah, I saw

people surfing at some point. You don't like lying down at the

beach started to feel like boring.

So I thought, well, I can just fire someone who take me to give

it a try. You know, like, it sounds fun.

It sounds super cool. You know, in the movies, all the

certain boy and certain girls and was like this, this image

there. And so I thought I'd try not to

give it a try. And the first time I pop up, I

knew I want to spend some part of my life doing it.

It was just like the connection and, and the magic of being

underwater was standing up. So that that's that's, that's

how I fell in love with. It it's very organic.

And I guess that's how like, yeah, that's how discovering

something that you really have a connection with, that's how it

works. You just know it.

Yeah, and the mind will never allow us to do some, not never.

OK, The the it's harder for the mind to allow us to do something

new because the job of the mind is to keep us continue surviving

and safe. But if we follow our heart, we

follow our curiosity, we will create more experience for us.

And how do I know? I, I, I usually will receive the

timelines that you seem to know exactly what you like and what

you don't like. That's because I create

experience for myself. And the more experience I

different experience I have, it's like science experiment.

The more data I have, the more I can understand and I create over

the years, you know, through travelling through, through

different cultures and a lot of things, through conversation

with people, I gave myself a lot of data to understand what

lights me up and what brings me down.

And with more data, I can at some point the, the initiation

will pivot. I can initiate before the

curiosity came to create those experience for myself.

So I feel my curiosity before the curiosity was starved and

needed to express. So this is kind of the really

good benign circle of discovering and creating life

for me. That's a very interesting and

it's almost like a buzzword that data-driven people here like.

Take notes of this. Just.

Feelings are data as well, it doesn't have to be numbers.

And I love the way you put it. I mean, like, I won't.

Yeah. So shit.

And I used to be in business. I'm still a very logical person.

I don't use logic to block myself, you know that.

But it's a logic I use. I use my heart to buy my logic.

What to do? Yeah, I relate to what you said

so much because I think a lot of the major decisions in my life I

made with my heart, but use my brain to make it feasible.

I don't usually make decisions because it's feasible and then

do it. It's like the opposite of what I

do for day jobs. Like for that job, you should

need them. You need to be feasible.

For anyone who don't know, like project management is my

background, so it needs to be feasible.

Yeah. But yeah, like making decisions

with the heart is I it's something that I wish more

people will consider. Oftentimes we will just jump to

the conclusion of like, being irresponsible.

I'm sure in Asian culture there's a little bit of that

too. Like, what is a good life, good

money, stable family, a house somewhere?

And that's really it. Like people just like the intro,

like what the mom said, you have a big house, you're happy, you

have a successful career, you're happy.

But that's not always the case. Yeah.

How do we address that? Because I'm sure we're not the

only ones who face that surrounding.

I yeah, I did have that. So a lot of times even we feel

this discomfort or reluctance or even suffering when we bide

ourselves with that expectation or that culture is because some

part of us is afraid if we go out and then we need to take the

full responsibility for ourselves.

You know, like what you know with with if let's say if I

follow the path with my family that what they expect me to do

when I was unhappy, I can blame on that.

Yeah. And I I would never need to take

responsibility, but but when I decided that scrap that I'm

going to go out my way and try when I can make it work.

When I was at the bottom of my life, I knew I was responsible.

And so when, when, when, if, if it's someone who it's starting

to fear, it's more like a suffer or really deep in happiness to,

you know, like keep up with that expectation or the

responsibility that attachment, but couldn't make a decision to

do whatever the hearts want to the say, put it that way.

Ask yourself honestly, what do I get out of not taking action?

Like our our mind, like bottom line, our mind will never make a

decision that has no benefit to us because it's primal function

is to keep us alive and survive. So when, when we stay in the

environment or situation, we kept saying that, oh, I'm so

unhappy, I'm so painful, I'm so sad, so on and so forth.

But we also find ourselves not being able to take the action

towards the other side. That means we are still getting

something out of it. Yeah.

So ask ourselves honestly, what do I get out of that?

It's very important. And no matter how nasty the

answer sounds or how unflattering that answer sounds,

we have to face it and ask ourselves that, is this true?

You know what I get out of it? It could be safety.

It could be a lot of things like can I not create that for

myself? Of course, of course that that

even like even after we made a decision, there are still this

pressure. Like my parents, they never

understood what I do. My parents don't.

So it used to be yeah, yeah, it used to be, it used to be the,

the egg in my heart, you know, like I, I, I, I wanted them to

understand me at some point, of course, I move out of that.

I, I unlock that, but I, I for like in my, all my 20s, it was

there and it caused a lot of conflicts and pain in our

relationship because I chose my past and I was doing well.

But I want the validation from them.

I want the nagging to stop because they, you know, parents

also find something else who make it, you know, like now that

you are, you are professionally successful.

How about marriage? Now you have marriage.

How about children? And then you don't like, how

about your husband's job? Because they can always find.

No, Yeah. But that that is just a

reflection. That was just expression of

their insecurity as well. And whether we can see our own

insecurity or discomfort in their expression.

And to know that there's nothing related, you know, it was not a,

it was not a tough effect. It was something within each one

of us as a family and reflecting back to each other.

And someone has to break the loop. 1st.

I when I took my job and decided to be a coach and then realized

I was intuitive and then I can channel spirit, it freaked me

out because if I if I was in the corporate my my parents couldn't

understand me. How could I expect them to

understand me in this? And especially you not being

able to Travel Channel the so-called spirits and gods.

It's not exactly something really nice in our culture.

You are someone special like say me first let me bless some

people have this title. I remember right.

Yeah, so, so, so like my head had a lot of fear telling them.

At the same time, I'm also very conscious.

What kind of relationship should I was attempting to create with

my parents? If I am not honest, I would

never be able to expect them to be honest with me.

And if I'm, if I'm not honest, how could they see me?

So at some point, you know, my dad was asking me, so exactly

what did you do? I said like, oh, I, I was like

that. And you know, I kind of hear

thoughts of ghosts, whatever you, you say.

And then I kind of see people's soul or whatever and I

recalibrate their energy and I'm doing my own spiritual practice

like this, especially what I say.

I didn't expect them to understand because it was just

too out there, but somehow because there was all it was the

very first time I had nothing to show for because I didn't have a

title, I didn't have a company, I don't have a paycheck.

I had nothing to show for but honesty.

And without me doing anything, my parents attitude towards me

changed. That's good.

When we can own our own energy and our own truth so powerfully,

people around us will change. I, I, I knew about this because

I see it, you know, like in my corporate environment, so on.

And usually family is something like, you know, there was

tension, a lot of complication around there.

So there was a surprise. I just follow my own guidance

with myself, how I want to create a relationship with my

parents. So I want to be transparent.

I want to be honest, you know, I want to share.

I want to be, I want to share the good and bad with them so

they, they won't like imagine things on their own.

And somehow that that change. But that anxiety of worrying

about me was kind of gone. You know, I used to make a lot

of money and they will worry about me all the time.

Parents are that's parents. Yeah.

So I back to the original question is that what do you

get? How do we get out of that

attachment so we don't take the action and after we take the

action, there was still some frictions.

I took those friction as a helped to help me to deepen my

understanding whether this is what I want.

It's like it's like it's like a goal.

You know, if if in a company we set up yearly target and easily

we can say, oh, it's longer target.

That means all commitment is really low.

It's the same thing, the same thing as life.

It's it's it's if we can if we look at it as a business, you

have something that you want to act on.

You want to you want to go for, you want to create, but like

someone, no matter how close, say something.

And then if we bird, probably you don't want that thing that

badly either. Yeah.

And you don't like, we don't want that thing that badly.

I mean, like everything come at us.

It's an opportunity to double check how much we want.

And it's a good thing because without challenge, we will not

find faith. So I I look at it like that way.

So some key themes I've been hearing today reflect, be honest

and be comfortable with being uncomfortable.

Yeah, it's really just that like, yeah, with those it won't

be as scary to move forward. So for this last part, I would

like to play a game. OK, so something light hearted

to finish our episode today. OK, what's something that

successful you back then would never have imagined you'd be

doing now? Walking barefoot on the ground.

OK, Yeah. Like anywhere?

Yeah, not just on the beach. If, if I if, if I could, but I

thought it was like on on the road.

It was if it gets too hot, I cannot but like in the house on

the ground, if I could even drive bare feet barefoot because

I don't know how much driving when I was surfing with the

shoes. I feel like it's.

That's fun. The next one?

Yeah, one success rule that you now joyfully break.

A rule being consistent and disciplined, OK.

Being consistent and disciplined, you'll happily

break them. Yeah.

Yeah, I can see why. What's your definition of a day

well spent? I get to do exercise,

meditation, journal, my usually I have one, one must do a day,

so my must do and I do it in the flow.

And if I can do a bit of painting or playing with my

plants, there will be a plus. And then I cook dinner and watch

TV with my sister in the evening.

Yeah, that sounds like a day well spent to me too.

One more. Two more, actually.

If you could go back to when you were 23 in India, would you do

anything differently? No.

That's like, that's the best answer because if we say, Oh

yes, I wish I didn't do that, that's not so great.

Regret is not a great thing. I love my life right now.

Even now I look back, there are another things probably I could

do better, but but life is not linear.

So with one tiny bit that's different, I will not be here

and I don't know where I will be.

Yeah. So since I love right now, I'm

not going to change anything. Yeah, butterfly effect.

So now I will not, I will not change anything.

I'm glad that was your answer too.

Last one, would you move back to Italy?

No, OK. I mean like if I can really I am

choosing now it's not necessary. I mean, of course, if this

opportunity open up, I can just you know, like Sue face move

there. I don't need to worry about

other things. I would.

But if I need to go through all the process and you know,

research and so on, no. There are so many beautiful

place I haven't been to. Yeah, Yeah.

I think because there are there are two camps of people who like

traveling. One they want to go back to

places they enjoy, the other one, including myself.

I would rather go somewhere new. The me who wanted to immigrate

to Italy, it's not me anymore. I still like like the country.

I still speak a little bit of the language.

I miss the Gelato. And then you know a lot of

culture there, but that connection is not there anymore

because I am a different person. So probably some someday I will

become the new person, but that person want to move to Italy,

but at least not now. Yeah.

Well, thank you for joining us today, Shrawmin.

Thank you for the space today. Yeah, I really enjoyed hearing

all your experience and just all the lessons that we all can take

away from. Thank you.

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